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September 1st, 2009

Will GOP winning the battle force Democrats to war?

Posted by Dana Blankenhorn @ 9:01 am

Categories: Finance, General, Government, U.S.

Tags: Democrat, GOP, Republican, Health Care, Vertical Industries, Benefits, Healthcare, Human Resources, Dana Blankenhorn

Even avid Democrats like former Labor Secretary Robert Reich admit Republicans won the August argument on health care. (Picture from Wikimedia Commons.)

Reich wrote this week that Democrats have ideas but Republicans have discipline, illustrating the point with his own call for a September march on Washington, which he now admits was just a thought balloon.

But the loss has stiffened some liberal spines, like that of New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, who now calls for “siege warfare against deeply entrenched interests, defending a deeply dysfunctional political system.”

So while the far right won the health care argument last month, there are Democrats to their left who now want to go to war. Senate Finance Committee chair Max Baucus has even given up on bipartisan negotiations and is ready to push through with his own party.

Rather than negotiating with Republicans to break a filibuster, in other words, Democrats are now negotiating among themselves to craft a bill that will win a majority through the Senate reconciliation process and pass the House.

The result could be a much more liberal bill than Washington previously thought could pass, or it could mean nothing at all. Whipping Democrats is a lot like herding cats.

Liberal Democrats have already stated clearly they won’t vote for a bill without what they call a public option giving people the right to buy-in to something similar to Medicare. An opposite call from “Blue Dog” Democrats and you’re back to square one.

The problem here for Republicans is their own past success. President Clinton failed to get a health bill through in 1993 and Democrats were hammered the next year, especially their more conservative members. It took them over a decade to win back the majorities they had then.

This may make threats to wreck the careers of those voting “aye” less potent, with conservative Democrats figuring that if they can’t win they might as well stand for something.

The bottom line. If Democrats can’t agree on a proposal given their substantial majorities in both Houses of  Congress, they face a generation’s exile in the political wilderness, no matter how many crazy pills some Republicans take.

The title of Ted Turner’s autobiography applies here. Lead, follow or get out of the way.

If George Bush could get a war on a simple majority, Barack Obama should be able to get health care that way. Those who endorsed that war may learn to rue the lesson it taught.

Dana BlankenhornDana Blankenhorn has been a business journalist since 1978, and has covered technology since 1982. He launched the Interactive Age Daily, the first daily coverage of the Internet to launch with a magazine, in September 1994. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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MAJORITY DONT WANT GOVT HEALTHCARE  itguy08 | 09/01/09
But Dana "the socialist" does..  JT82 | 09/01/09
Childish namecalling...  Economister | 09/01/09
No its factual, not name calling..  JT82 | 09/01/09
American business is hamstrung  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
"Basic costs for everyone"?????  cornpie | 09/01/09
Obviously you haven't been listening  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
Facts not in evidence.  TripleII | 09/01/09
Facts and Evidence  Economister | 09/01/09
Canadian reform  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
We did have that discussion.  TripleII | 09/01/09
Thank y ou, TripleII  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
Good "outcomes" from universal health care. reporting is not uniform....  xuniL_z | 09/02/09
Liberal's proposal: "We enjoy the service, you guys pay."  LBiege | 09/01/09
Everyone pays because everyone benefits  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
Not according to the CBO.  mikefarinha | 09/01/09
CBO, SchmeeBO  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
Socialist, schmocialist  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
If you're so tired of it  j.m.galvin | 09/01/09
I do write about computing here  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
Another helpful quote from Websters  cornpie | 09/01/09
Uh, no  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
Uh, yes  cornpie | 09/01/09
So John Sherman was a socialist?  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/02/09
...and Please stop the offensive language  cornpie | 09/02/09
Dana, Medicare is Socialist, Big Time socialist. Do you recall what FDR ..  xuniL_z | 09/02/09
Please make that your line of argument  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/03/09
Wow. That's how you read what I wrote?  xuniL_z | 09/04/09
Im calling a spade a spade my friend..  JT82 | 09/02/09
Thinking outside the box?  Economister | 09/02/09
Not my fault your zealotry blinds you [NT]  JT82 | 09/02/09
Still no thinking.  Economister | 09/02/09
To repeat  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/02/09
Calling a spade a spade?  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/02/09
Dishonest, Misled, or Selfishly Uncaring  Al Olver | 09/01/09
Who is greedy?  stubarrett | 09/01/09
Gun point?  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
What a load of.................  Al Olver | 09/01/09
Problem - we don't live in a democracy.  bjbrock | 09/01/09
Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
MAJORITY DONT WANT GOVT HEALTHCARE  TTGIT Guy | 09/01/09
and their both bankrupt!  Fark | 09/01/09
poor argument.  mikefarinha | 09/01/09
Medicare going broke  TTGIT Guy | 09/01/09
Easy enough to find.  mikefarinha | 09/01/09
So you're against Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security?  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
It is not managed healthcare.  bjbrock | 09/01/09
Elections Matter  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
But they want it available to others  Ken_z | 09/01/09
Republican's have no solutions  mikefarinha | 09/01/09
You're making too much sense...  Fark | 09/01/09
Fark strikes wisdom  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
The ideas don't get the j-o-b done  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
Or, maybe, just maybe...  itpro_z | 09/01/09
Been There. Done That  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
Sorry, Dana...  itpro_z | 09/01/09
Your points  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/02/09
Yea but the political stigma is too great  JT82 | 09/02/09
That's fair  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/02/09
And your points  itpro_z | 09/02/09
Apologies for butting in.....  Economister | 09/02/09
Good points  itpro_z | 09/02/09
@itpro: thanks for enlightening me a bit  Economister | 09/02/09
Re: Economister  itpro_z | 09/02/09
GOP will prevail for the sake of real America  Linux Geek | 09/01/09
Minor nits.  TripleII | 09/01/09
Babe in the woods  Economister | 09/01/09
Clueless.  TripleII | 09/01/09
Naive AND clueless  Economister | 09/01/09
We tried it your way  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
nope  Linux Geek | 09/01/09
"serve us better"?????  Economister | 09/01/09
I'm not quite sure of your reason for anger at Republicans  cornpie | 09/01/09
I think you're right  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
Or the GOP will prevail  Ken_z | 09/01/09
They could, and lose big time next year.  TripleII | 09/01/09
None of that gets to universality  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
Deck Chairs, lol.  TripleII | 09/01/09
You just argued away the problem!  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
Now c'mon Dana.  TripleII | 09/01/09
What value add does insurance provide?  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/02/09
Only a delusional liberal would say  j.m.galvin | 09/01/09
Then test the proposition  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
Very "democratic"  rapson | 09/01/09
heh-indeedy  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
Actually...  cornpie | 09/01/09
RE: Will GOP winning the battle force Democrats to war?  Richard B | 09/01/09
Oh you silly boy  j.m.galvin | 09/01/09
When will Fox get a tech site?  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
Read our story on Medsphere  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
RE: Will GOP winning the battle force Democrats to war?  American Sharecropper | 09/01/09
You make a funny  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
RE: Will GOP winning the battle force Democrats to war?  jenibe | 09/01/09
Mob rule vs. a Democratic Republic  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
RE: Will GOP winning the battle force Democrats to war?  pauldecam | 09/01/09
Spreading lies  stubarrett | 09/01/09
Iraq resolution was not a Declaration of War  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
And that changes the vote?  j.m.galvin | 09/01/09
To their shame and cost  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
RE: Will GOP winning the battle force Democrats to war?  Sisko&7 | 09/01/09
You basically ignored #1  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
Partial Coverage?  JT82 | 09/02/09
Healthcare is a right  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/02/09
RE: Will GOP winning the battle force Democrats to war?  SoCalDoc | 09/01/09
Heard the good news about Medsphere?  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/01/09
Socialist America  mlindl | 09/05/09
Federalism not socialism  gbryantiv | 09/11/09

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