On CBS.com: Play Survivor Video Trivia Now
BNET Business Network:
BNET
TechRepublic
ZDNet

September 24th, 2009

Democrats lack votes for health care reform

Posted by Dana Blankenhorn @ 7:30 am

Categories: Finance, General, Government, U.S.

Tags: Democrat, Health Care, Healthcare Reform, Byrd, Vertical Industries, Healthcare, Benefits, Financial Accounting, Human Resources, Finance

Despite the pending appointment of a replacement for the late Sen. Ted Kennedy, Democrats still can’t pass health reform, because they lack the votes to force a vote on the bill.

(Picture from CBS News.)

The reason. Sen. Robert Byrd (right) is fading fast.

He is 91, in-and-out of the hospital, and did not even make his annual “Constitution Day” speech on the floor. Byrd is the “father of Constitution Day,” having made September 17 a holiday in a 2004 appropriations bill.

Byrd’s last public appearance was crying during floor tributes to Kennedy. His wife passed away in 2006. This is what end of life care looks like.

If Byrd should pass away soon, the Governor has the power to appoint a successor. The present Governor is Joe Manchin, a Democrat who told the party’s 2008 convention he supports “health care for every working person.”

But West Virginia is changing. It voted for George W. Bush, for John McCain, and gave President Obama one of his worst drubbings of the primary season. Once a union stronghold, its politics are becoming increasingly like those of Alabama. When Democratic strategists talk about an “Appalachian Problem” this is exhibit A.

For now Democrats get by statewide by distancing themselves from their national party. But appointment of a full-throated supporter of “Obamacare” would almost surely trigger a political revolt.

Democrats need 60 votes to pass legislation due to Senate rules. Any Senator can prevent any bill from being voted on unless 60 Senators approve a “cloture” motion to end debate. In recent years these have become routine, although a simple majority could change the rules at the start of any session and do away with the requirement.

Democrats could try to pass a bill under “reconciliation,” but that only applies to financial matters, and many parts of the present bill are not financial in nature. Thus a point of order could stop the process and it would have to be overcome by (you guessed it) 60 votes. Without Byrd, Democrats have 59, assuming they can maintain party unity.

Right now, the health care debate is hurting everyone it touches. Approval is down across the board, even for Republicans like Charles Grassley of Iowa. Opinions continue to harden along partisan lines, and while pluralities still support reform, even Snowe might face a tough primary if she crosses her party line.

Liberals feel Snowe is not negotiating in good faith, but since she is negotiating the White House feels it must assume good faith to get a bill.

Right now chances of a bill emerging from Congress are no better than 50-50, and so are Democratic chances of keeping the power they won last year.

Dana BlankenhornDana Blankenhorn has been a business journalist since 1978, and has covered technology since 1982. He launched the Interactive Age Daily, the first daily coverage of the Internet to launch with a magazine, in September 1994. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

Email Dana Blankenhorn

Subscribe to ZDNet Healthcare via Email alerts or RSS.

  • Talkback
  • Most Recent of 154 Talkback(s)
RE: Democrats lack votes for health care reform
the only ignorant person here is you
counterethicscommissioner A.KA. pompous goat. (Read the rest)
Posted by: Spector2 Posted on: 10/26/09 You are currently: a Guest | | Terms of Use
It's amazing  rapson | 09/24/09
Republicans  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
Hmm. Care to explain that?  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
The beauty of democracy  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
Thanks. I see what you meant.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
This is probably the most ignorant statement  frgough | 09/24/09
Special interests, lobbyists, unions, etc.  veretax@... | 09/24/09
The answer is in the top of your statement  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
Special interests are not conservative  ElCondor11 | 09/24/09
You want to compare the parties on lobbying?  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
This is good news.  JT82 | 09/24/09
Amen  Dorkyman | 09/24/09
Eliminate Medicare and Medicaid  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
that's the only solution  Linux Geek | 09/24/09
Agree "sense of entitlement"  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
Sense of entitlement?  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
Actually.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
Dana please why people dont understand that  Quebec-french | 09/24/09
They already have healthcare  veretax@... | 09/24/09
Or simply failing to pay..  JT82 | 09/24/09
Debtor's prisons, now?  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
Well..  JT82 | 09/24/09
The concept behind debtors prison  frgough | 09/24/09
Really?  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
If someone doesn't pay debts. Sure - the normal recourses.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
Simple.  Ceridan | 09/24/09
Not Communism - Socialism.  Fark | 09/24/09
Ceridan are you in the MTL zone  Quebec-french | 09/24/09
Inertia is powerful  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
Good analysis.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
we don't need progressive politics  Linux Geek | 09/24/09
Then turn in your weekend  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
Socialisim is slavery - just of a different kind.  JT82 | 09/24/09
Because unions got them for you  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
Unions are a thing of the past.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
Kind of an ignorant reaction Dana.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
On slavery you're wrong  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
They were Christians indeed.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
we must take the country back  Linux Geek | 09/24/09
I fear Obama woulda turned US into Zimbabwe by 2012  LBiege | 09/24/09
As opposed to Republican governance?  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
except that ...  LBiege | 09/24/09
You just won't take responsibility for anything  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
I think comparing Obama & Zimbabwe is quite legitimate.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
Garbage...  Fark | 09/24/09
What you fail to understand, Dana  frgough | 09/24/09
Oh, you mean Bush wasn't a conservative  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
Not quite, Dana  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
That's stupid and abusive  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
"invest through debt" is the only non-rant part  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
Could we trade  Quebec-french | 09/24/09
Deal  LBiege | 09/24/09
thx you so much  Quebec-french | 09/24/09
I'd rather have the pig.  Fark | 09/24/09
no no harper is verything you want  Quebec-french | 09/24/09
Oh, man  frgough | 09/24/09
agreed  Ceridan | 09/24/09
Nah - no trade thank you.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
Sara Palin for President?  PeopleFirst | 09/24/09
not only 'for President', but 'the President'!  Linux Geek | 09/24/09
Misery loves company  PeopleFirst | 09/24/09
She would make us proud again  Linux Geek | 09/24/09
A real leader...  PeopleFirst | 09/24/09
Who'll be laughing...  ElCondor11 | 09/24/09
Agree  wackoae | 09/24/09
ACtually it addresses all those things  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
competition?  ElCondor11 | 09/24/09
"unfunded tax cuts"...  rapson | 09/24/09
He meant they weren't offset  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
Dream on. That's the selling point you want to believe.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
RE: Democrats lack votes for health care reform  PeopleFirst | 09/24/09
It's not?  Fark | 09/24/09
RE: Democrats lack votes for health care reform  PeopleFirst | 09/24/09
So Many Stupid People  PeopleFirst | 09/24/09
If you are going to call people stupid...  JT82 | 09/24/09
Some People Are Indeed Stupid.  PeopleFirst | 09/24/09
Yep it was and still is..  JT82 | 09/24/09
Choice and freedom  PeopleFirst | 09/24/09
NERP read it..  JT82 | 09/24/09
Choices  PeopleFirst | 09/24/09
I used shop loosely...  JT82 | 09/24/09
Choice...  Fark | 09/24/09
Which is why it's so ironic that Senator Byrd  frgough | 09/24/09
Congress can make laws promoting the general welfare  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
So that they dont violate any inherient rights...  JT82 | 09/24/09
And healthcare reform as it is is not one of them.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
Stupid Games  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
Ah, the crux in your thinking comes out.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
Actually I live in Canada.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
Why don't you move?  PeopleFirst | 09/24/09
The better question would be  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
People come from all over the world for our Healthcare system?  Fark | 09/24/09
Which is why we should forbid care to those who cant pay..  JT82 | 09/24/09
I agree.  Fark | 09/24/09
Best to change the hippocratic oath  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
Be specific.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
That's not the issue at all, I'm afraid  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/25/09
Read the f-ing legislation people...  BillDem | 09/24/09
I Agree  PeopleFirst | 09/24/09
That applies to both sides of the aisle friend..  JT82 | 09/24/09
Democrats are for all the people  PeopleFirst | 09/24/09
Again incorrect..  JT82 | 09/24/09
Not true  PeopleFirst | 09/24/09
ROFLMAO...  JT82 | 09/24/09
YOU LIE!  Fark | 09/24/09
Bullmess!!  LBiege | 09/24/09
Who's on first?  PeopleFirst | 09/24/09
Oh, you mean reading the abortion funding.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
Abortion funding  PeopleFirst | 09/24/09
abortion is a tough issue  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
Freedom of choice  PeopleFirst | 09/24/09
So let me get this straight.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
Sure - why should I pay for it?  Fark | 09/24/09
The question is insurance  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
You're entitled to your opinion.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
The question is always who decides  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
p.s.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
And of course Dana stays silent on this one...  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
Not as painful as your murderous intent  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
You don't go out much, do you?  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
It's not abusive  frgough | 09/24/09
No. It's not.  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
Another mindless lemming who refuses to read it...  BillDem | 09/24/09
So True  PeopleFirst | 09/24/09
Oh it's in there.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
you, Republican,...I don't think so!  Linux Geek | 09/24/09
Fox news not "Fair and Balanced."  PeopleFirst | 09/24/09
they are...  Linux Geek | 09/24/09
Actually, Fox News leans left  frgough | 09/24/09
Don't believe ANY news - READ it YOURSELF  BillDem | 09/24/09
CAPSLOCK won't help you.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
why read 1000 pages  Linux Geek | 09/24/09
Try this one:  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
Assessment of Reconciliation is perhaps off  Takalok | 09/24/09
Exactly  JT82 | 09/24/09
Performance of Government  PeopleFirst | 09/24/09
Try reading a history book  JT82 | 09/24/09
Why don't you move?  PeopleFirst | 09/24/09
Im not the one who wants to throw away what the country IS  JT82 | 09/24/09
No other country  Fark | 09/24/09
Point of order, Mr. President  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
A Public Option  PeopleFirst | 09/24/09
Your points are not true  Takalok | 09/24/09
Past 17%  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
What the market will bear.  Fark | 09/24/09
2%  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
Suggestion.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
Sure, it's easy to cut costs  Takalok | 09/24/09
You refer to Canada. I LIVE IN CANADA.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
Good Article  PeopleFirst | 09/24/09
those are socialist lies  Linux Geek | 09/24/09
Must be why the Euro costs $1.50  DanaBlankenhornZDNet Moderator | 09/24/09
Ignorance.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 09/24/09
RE: Democrats lack votes for health care reform  Spector2 | 10/26/09

What do you think?

SponsoredWhite Papers, Webcasts, and Downloads

advertisement

Recent Entries

advertisement

Archives

Favorite Links

ZDNet Blogs

White Papers, Webcasts, and Downloads

Meet Doc

  • Here to help you with your Document Management Needs
  • Doc is an enigma. Born to a Russian ballerina and a German electrical engineer, he grew up in various locations in the United States. He’s seen the insides of more brands, versions, and generations of printer and printer-related hardware than almost anyone.
  • To learn more about this mysterious figure check out his blog on ZDNet and his Workspace on TechRepublic. You’ll be glad you did.
  • Produced by
    ZDNet and